tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post7858857680125953250..comments2024-03-19T07:36:13.951-07:00Comments on Iron Hiker: Tanriverdi Fallstekewinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10230830520110635922noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-84507801861283363632023-05-01T10:39:44.442-07:002023-05-01T10:39:44.442-07:00Uber offer from basic to advanced courses. And th...Uber offer from basic to advanced courses. And there are many "dry" (class A) canyons in SoCal and all over the desert Southwest. Death Valley (in the winter) has amazing dry canyons to run. Utah has many too, although the most popular are swimming (class B), but not strong water flow (class C). In SoCal check out Bailey Canyon or Coyote (Left Fork) for excellent dry canyons.willie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-66134236311502062522023-05-01T09:33:40.656-07:002023-05-01T09:33:40.656-07:00Willie,
I appreciate the referral and will save i...Willie,<br /><br />I appreciate the referral and will save it. I've taken a couple rope courses, but I'd like to learn the more advanced skills. I generally don't really like getting wet, with some exceptions, so I wouldn't make a very good canyoneer. I can still appreciate what you do.tekewinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10230830520110635922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-47723690626935528232023-04-30T02:15:46.617-07:002023-04-30T02:15:46.617-07:00If you are looking for technical canyoneering trai...If you are looking for technical canyoneering training, Uber Adventures has classes in the LA area. Canyoneers normally use wetsuits, because we go in the highest flow (for this canyon anyway) and that happens in the winter and spring. Also, we get into the deep water pools which are typically 50-55F. If you go in warm weather and bypass the first deep pool, then a rain shell would be sufficient if there is significant waterflow.willie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-72256569006150868672023-04-24T09:03:41.039-07:002023-04-24T09:03:41.039-07:00Is this canyon always a wetsuit situation or do yo...Is this canyon always a wetsuit situation or do you just use coveralls in warmer conditions. I may have to look into getting some training, any programs in OC you can recommend? I see a few locations just curious if one if preferred. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-24970378255926742762023-04-24T01:43:08.790-07:002023-04-24T01:43:08.790-07:00Yes, some canyoneers got their rope stuck on pull ...Yes, some canyoneers got their rope stuck on pull down, and they left it. I retrieved it on Friday. BTW, if you send me an Email (willie@surefire.com) I can share a Google Photo album with the pictures & short videos from last Fridaywillie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-79472933625433229182023-04-23T17:57:07.995-07:002023-04-23T17:57:07.995-07:00I went to the top Saturday morning; it had impress...I went to the top Saturday morning; it had impressive flow still. I did notice the prior week or two ago a rope at the top of the big falls but no one there. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-85312318890451791982023-04-18T07:47:26.618-07:002023-04-18T07:47:26.618-07:00Willie,
Exciting! Please post photos somewhere. I ...Willie,<br />Exciting! Please post photos somewhere. I am planning to try the Chiquito route this year, but have a few things ahead of it. tekewinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10230830520110635922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-8979048771884639662023-04-17T21:36:18.225-07:002023-04-17T21:36:18.225-07:00I will be out there with a canyoneering group this...I will be out there with a canyoneering group this Friday. Flow should be amazing!willie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-38972369590546438542023-02-14T14:41:39.074-08:002023-02-14T14:41:39.074-08:00Willie, having gone towards TF last time and missi...Willie, having gone towards TF last time and missing the way down i figured i would have a look to the left of Rock horn. It was easy getting to the gully on the left side and I felt there may be an alternate way down so i had a look. After running in to a dead end I headed back toward TF from below rock horn and that worked out. After reviewing my vid i see the left side of the lower falls may not be something in my wheelhouse. It looked climbable while on the rock about 1/4 way up but i thought about the downclimb when i got up it and went back down.Alfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-14041338855761557872023-02-13T20:50:46.321-08:002023-02-13T20:50:46.321-08:00And now that everyone has had so much fun with Hot...And now that everyone has had so much fun with Hot Springs Canyon (Salamander) and getting to the big falls, how about this tributary? http://ropewiki.com/Axolotl_Canyon<br />willie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-1027499102600009212023-02-13T20:43:34.749-08:002023-02-13T20:43:34.749-08:00I'm not sure where you are going from the rock...I'm not sure where you are going from the rock horn to reach Hot Spring creek itself, but the general direction is straight toward TF. If you traverse going only slightly downhill, you will reach the area that connects to the shallow gully that leads down to the creek right at the bottom of TF's second stage (the 50 foot waterfall just after the 160 foot waterfall). To reach the pool at the bottom of the big falls (TF) you would have to rock climb up (5th class); there is no easier way than 5th or 6th class terrain. We (canyoneers) just rappel down, as that's easy! :) Since I'm also a rock climber too, it looks easy enough to climb up on the climber's left side, but I would not try that without a rope and lead protection gear.willie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-26575676300702786642023-02-13T13:08:19.421-08:002023-02-13T13:08:19.421-08:00Keith,
At first, I went to the gully on the left s...Keith,<br />At first, I went to the gully on the left side of rock horn because it was very easy, then it got a bit more technical so I went right passing under rock horn and ended up finding the gully for the last portion. Lost all signs of traffic on the return just above the gully... I have yet to check my gps vs. Willies uploaded file but i will. I am sure that portion from rock horn and then back up is a bit all over the place but i call it a success even though I was not at the base of TF. I did just rewatch my video and the far-left side of "lower TF" sure appears different to me. Looking at it from the bottom Saturday i felt it was climbable, not so about that now looking at the video. Perhaps I was not seeing all of the climb from my position on the ground looking up.<br /><br />Alfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-76203254602857058012023-02-13T09:04:56.867-08:002023-02-13T09:04:56.867-08:00Alf,
That's great beta and matches what Willi...Alf,<br /><br />That's great beta and matches what Willie described about the 2nd tier and what Schad described in his book on Orange County.tekewinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10230830520110635922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-52097438940315002232023-02-12T11:03:54.800-08:002023-02-12T11:03:54.800-08:00Keith its not too bad just very steep and hard to ...Keith its not too bad just very steep and hard to find a way down after rock horn. I see pink ribbons here and there, don't recall those last time. Didn't help me much as some were buried in the dirt at my feet and i just stumbled across them. I found a way down but it was not on a trail of any sort even the return up the gully i still lost the "trail". I was surprised to see a small falls prior to the base of TF. This was a road block for me as the left side of the falls appears to be class 4, i got part of the way up and changed my mind. This is short in distance but feels like i did 20 miles... elevation gain was only 1770' if i recall. I did not see anyone on the trail until i got about 1/2 mile from the truck at just outside Bluejay. I went on Feb 11th. Alfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-39956582783539802612023-01-25T12:20:38.159-08:002023-01-25T12:20:38.159-08:00From the rock horn coming down I traversed toward ...From the rock horn coming down I traversed toward TF about 100 hundred feet or so before I called it quits. Sounds like I was moving in the right direction, i just felt really unsettled on that slope. It sort of opens up at the rock horn and I felt pretty exposed. Thanks for feedback, I will go have another look soon. It should be a lot faster next time with no detours also. Alfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-50769367377950931802023-01-24T18:32:04.810-08:002023-01-24T18:32:04.810-08:00Yes "TLC"! :) When I first when down Ch...Yes "TLC"! :) When I first when down Chiquito (from the Chiquito spring to Hot Springs creek), I spent hours trimming brush, cutting deadfalls, and moving debris out of the way. I would suspect that Little Chiquito is as bad or worse that that. It's will be a project, to say the least.willie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-13029354937262774712023-01-24T18:13:50.823-08:002023-01-24T18:13:50.823-08:00TLC yes to say the least. It was not passable for ...TLC yes to say the least. It was not passable for me at my WP 8 even in the watercourse if i wanted to get wet, it made more sense to just climb up to the ridge and get back on trail than go climb back up around little Chaquita...no thx, that approx .4 miles was really sketchy. I will avoid that at all costs, that was a one time visit. What i saw at WP 8 as far as brush had me convinced it didnt get better so up i went.Alfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-66048980619381237982023-01-24T18:05:50.504-08:002023-01-24T18:05:50.504-08:00Ahh, I see, on your way back you were thinking abo...Ahh, I see, on your way back you were thinking about going down Little Chiquito, up main Chiquito and then back up the San Juan. That would be fun :) , but a LOT longer! Also, once you drop into Hot Spring canyon from the EE rock horn, there are still 2 more rappels below that. The first one is easy enough to get around higher on the EE ridge, but the 2nd one (and final) does not seem to have any non 5 class weakness. Thus if you use the EE to hike to the Hot Spring creek itself, you will need to rappel to continue down the creek. willie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-91103576122279570042023-01-24T17:58:24.537-08:002023-01-24T17:58:24.537-08:00My plan was to go down the EE and return via SJT b...My plan was to go down the EE and return via SJT but that did not work out and probably would have take a fair bit more time than i expected. My detour didnt help but i will check your link thanks. I am sure headed down creek from TF would be very slow... there is reason the EE is used and it is quite steep and a fitness check. Im 6 weeks past my covid holiday and i was feeling it. Probably need a couple weeks still to fully get over that... it lingers.Alfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-83136149762191702182023-01-24T17:57:11.952-08:002023-01-24T17:57:11.952-08:00Alf: you went down "Little Chiquito" can...Alf: you went down "Little Chiquito" canyon into the technical section (like rock climbing and or rope work) at point #1 "Don't miss this turn". When we originally worked on the Express Exit, I decided to cut straight up to the ridge here, because I wanted a non-technical exit, and I wanted to minimize elevation loss for that exit. If you continued pass point #8 down the canyon you would connect (eventually) with Chiquito Spring canyon, but I suspect it needs some TLC in the brush department.willie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-92018915365320450542023-01-24T17:44:26.259-08:002023-01-24T17:44:26.259-08:00If you want to get to the creek bottom from the ro...If you want to get to the creek bottom from the rock horn, you need to traverse at roughly the same elevation until you reach a slight gully that descends to the creek bottom. No rock climbing is required, but it is very steep in places. Since we (canyoneers) are scrambling up the gully (which is obvious from the creek itself) and then traversing to the rock horn, we can see our targets along the way. Reversing it takes more exploring around to find the way down.willie92708https://www.blogger.com/profile/18363010045061524456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-14173477280908495182023-01-24T17:27:42.179-08:002023-01-24T17:27:42.179-08:00I removed my previous comment, because I see now t...I removed my previous comment, because I see now the EE is different than the Chiquito Spring route in ropewiki. I imported the Chiquito route into CalTopo and add the leg north to Tanriverdi (0.77 mi). You got really close and great photos of the flowing falls. Here is the Chiquito map: https://caltopo.com/m/8E4KAtekewinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10230830520110635922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-11342383534792485262023-01-24T16:03:27.975-08:002023-01-24T16:03:27.975-08:00Yes I did try the EE Sat morning at 5am but I was ...Yes I did try the EE Sat morning at 5am but I was not successful. I found no trail or safe route once i got to what i think was the rock horn WP. That is a steep slope and i was not in the mood to look around more than i did. I am sure it was right there some place probably within 50' of me. alf tanner on alltrials if you want a look at my route. I missed the trail not looking at my nav, just assumed i was creek walking just like route to the top of the falls. I ended up down climbing on the right side of little Chaquita and was thinking this was correct. Took some effort to get back up to the ridge and find the trail. I had fun though, will go back mid Feb.Alfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-86814641177888890672023-01-24T07:55:46.234-08:002023-01-24T07:55:46.234-08:00Alf,
Did you try the EE route? I'll definitel...Alf,<br /><br />Did you try the EE route? I'll definitely create a new post if I try it, but things are iffy for the near future. Looks like about 3/4 of a mile to the falls from the confluence of the canyons.tekewinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10230830520110635922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3797598074793378196.post-90536082773539007932023-01-23T16:05:00.857-08:002023-01-23T16:05:00.857-08:00I seem to have lost the trail at Rock Horn and did...I seem to have lost the trail at Rock Horn and didn't see where from there you went. Guess i am going back to have another look in a couple of weeks. Keith if you try the route, let me know... i would be interested is seeing the route. Willie... that is quite steep, can't imagine how bad the long way is to make you want to take the EE with all that gear let alone creating that trail.Alfnoreply@blogger.com